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Popular artists and arrogance: Rant

Journal Entry: Sat Mar 15, 2014, 6:26 AM
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SpitfiresOnIce
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This is somehing I've been wanting to write about since almost forever but I always forgot what exactly I wanted to say once I opened dA. Which I did now too, but I will try anyway because otherwise I'll never get to it. xD

So what I was wondering is, why is it that as soon as someone has a certain amount of watchers/pageviews/attention/whatever, that people suddenly start to assume they MUST be arrogant?

I've seen this SO often before and it bothers me to no end. People don't even KNOW the artist personally, but they just randomly assume things about them. I've had a few people come up to me being all "wow I thought you'd be arrogant and all until I actually started to talk to you". Which, in some way, really surprised me. I don't really consider myself "popular". It doesn't feel like I am, I don't feel like I'm an artist a lot of people know. I feel like my watcher count is that high simply because I never moved accounts. :XD: A lot of those accounts are inactive now anyway.
However. Back to the point of this journal.
Why do people think certain artists are arrogant? And why do I think that's so wrong?

- They never reply to comments, or only on those by friends/artists they idolize.
This is one I hear very often. But to be honest, I don't think it's a very valid argument. First of all, artists can choose whatever they want with the feedback they receive. If they don't want to spend hours replying to every comment they get, that's their decision and they have every right to do so. There is no rule on dA that says you HAVE to reply to comments you get. Plus, there are many reasons why one wouldn't be able to reply:
- They don't wanna spend all their online time on replies.
- They don't wanna reply with "thanks" a hundred times, so they only reply if they actually have something to say.
- They simply don't feel like it (sometimes I have that too. Sometimes you're just not motivated to do ANYTHING.)
- They are nervous/anxious/etc. when it comes to people and prefer not to start a conversation with just anyone. This is more common than you'd think.
- Other reasons you wouldn't think of immediately. For example, my friend INDUSTRIAL-SURGERY cannot reply to any comments except for those left by school friends, because of her mother. This is an uncommon reason but it's a good example of how people sometimes have reasons you wouldn't think of yourself. In the end, it's not really your business why they don't reply.
But they do reply to friends! Again, their choice. If they chose to only reply to people they feel comfortable around, people of which they are sure they won't use them for art or fame, what's so wrong about that? Not everyone is open to new friendships, and while you might think that's a shame, you still have to respect their decision.

- They don't wanna be friends.
When people like your art there will always be types that try to get closer just to get free art and/or to use you as a status symbol, just because you're better known than them. It's not such a surprise that they won't trust people that fast. Sometimes people just aren't looking for new friends, and if they gain them it's more of a slow progress that happens over time. Friendships cannot be forced. Don't try to force them.

- They don't reply to fanart.
I can still find it kind of painful when someone plainly ignores a piece made for them, and I don't find it very respectful either. However, I guess it's not always because they choose not to do so, sometimes artists just get flooded with comments/notes and lose track of art for them. Don't assume too soon.

- They won't reply to questions, or they reply in a somewhat rude way.
The more watchers you get, the more questions you will receive. And the more questions you receive, the bigger the chance that these questions
- are already clearly mentioned and answered on their page, in their FAQ, etc.,
- have already been asked by others a million times, and will be asked a million more times in the future,
- don't make any sense at all and/or are things the artist has no interest in,
- all of the above.
Believe me, it is FRUSTRATING when you try to make things as clear as possible and you STILL get bombarded with questions that already have been answered. Recently I did an art trade journal, trying to cover every single question people could ask, and asking them to post their refs in their comments. As well as mentioning which characters I'd like to see together. And still there were SO many comments not mentioning a ref, asking questions that were answered in the description, making their own combinations out of the mentioned characters, etcetera etcetera. When it's just one comment it's all fine, but when it's a lot of comments you just wanna facepalm and wonder why you even bother to write all of that. :XD: So when someone is being snarky when you asked a question, chances are you're the tenth person asking that this week when it's clearly on their pages.

- They won't do an art trade with me, but they do with others.
An artist has the right to accept and decline trades as they please. If your style does not appeal to them (yet), that's a shame, and yes, it can hurt. But you have to move on. And there's no need to take out that bitterness on the artist and think they must be such a snob just because they didn't want to trade. Just move on. It's probably nothing personal, so there's no need for you to get personal, either.

- Their commissions are too expensive.
An artist decides what they want to work for themselves. It's a personal decision and even if you can't afford it, you should still respect that decision. You can't afford it or you think it's too high? Don't buy from them and move on.

- They don't wanna draw me free art/give me points/feature me so I can get more watchers.
Get out.

Sure, some people may be arrogant, but please don't just assume stuff too soon. Sometimes things are not as they seem. And those artists have feelings too, talking about them like that behind their backs can be very painful for them. It especially is weird to have complete strangers say rude things about you that aren't even true.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is, don't judge people you don't know, whether they are more popular than you or not.

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Roxalew Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2014  Student General Artist
^^; yeah can defiantly understand why a lot of the more popular artists don't reply to every comment, its a little hard to keep up with things if you have limited amount of time ^^; though its always polite to get back to as much as you can :D and treat others with respect ^^

But then there are a select some who are legitimately nasty, using the people who look up to them the most to attack other artists, or be generally rude or uncaring to people, that's probably where this assumption manifested from in the first place.

Haha but agree with you 100% :D
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Exactly! It's not always easy. If you can get back, you should if you feel like it, but it's not good to force yourself either. Respect should always be there though!

Yea, watchers are not a personal army indeed. People should never use followers for that purpose.
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Roxalew Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014  Student General Artist
Haha true true :D even if you cant get back to everything, the least you can do is be respectful :D

glad you agree wit that one, there are TOO many people using people as their slaves -.-
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, exactly D:
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Roxalew Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2014  Student General Artist
:D
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LackadaisicalLeopah Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:'D
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swankie Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I try to reply to all my watchers/ or watch them back so i can see their art and comment. Sometimes I don't feel like commenting and simply favorite the images. I don't get many people talking to me either aha, only some close friends but i have a good watcher base. Maybe its because they are intimidated /  or have had bad experiences with artists who were arrogant and rude or some such which is understandable some of them can be quite rude but i can also see a point why popular artists are because I am always asked for trades or to give out free art when i don't have the time. I do try to be as polite as possible though, even if people are rude about it.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I know that cx Same here actually!
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swankie Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Student Digital Artist
haha yeah :) I wouldn't worry about it too much though since all people judge in one way or another and end up surprised that the person they didn't know was actually a nice person. Offline I look like im constantly angry but that's just how my face is in a natural state when im actually a pretty sensitive and nice person so people tend to stay away from me aha. I'm used to it since i've had stuff like this happen all my life, once people realize how awesome you are more people will end up talking to ya.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My facial expression tends not to match my actual feelings, either. :'D
I see! True ^^
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swankie Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014  Student Digital Artist
ahah, Yeah :) Well at least we know what were feeling i guess that's all that matters right?
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Exactly! :D
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Chedtim Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I 100% agree, I'm a tiny artist myself and I struggle with keeping up with messages. I can hardly imagine how it is for you :'3
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well you comment a lot more than the average dA user does, I think (I have no idea how you keep that up!) so actually I can hardly imagine what it must be like for you! :'D
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Chedtim Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My secret is to wait three weeks until I have hundreds of drawings to go through and then do it all at once until dA tells me I'm a spammer. And then I get sad. xD
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ohh. Best method ever. :'D
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Chedtim Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yup, 100% efficient. 
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Eraili Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True, true :)
I have some populat artists as friends myself, though I never asked them for free art or anything xD I just really like talking to them~ Just like I lika talking to my other friends. There isn't really a difference ^^
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed! Same here :)
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synchrosen Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:clap: well spoken!
srsly, you have really good points :) of course there are exceptions here and there but people really don't seem to (want to) understand why popular artists behave like they do sometimes. God, they're human after all! I'm sure they're all grateful to their followers for supporting them.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm glad you think so!
And indeed ^^
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synchrosen Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Of course c:
:3
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goldyc Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
I agree. It's not because someone does something you don't like, that person is arrogant or mean. I
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed!
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IndominusSaur Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This by 100x

I agree with just about every point here.

Only one I do kind of feel is the one about them ignoring fanart. While it is true sometimes they may forget about it due to the flood of comments, I have seen instances where its faved by them, but not replied to. Idk, that one does kinda bother me a bit when they do that.


The rest though, were pretty much spot on. 
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, it bothers me too. Just a "thanks" is enough of a comment for me, but just, something :'D

Glad you think so. ^^
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Mossinescence Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
- They simply don't feel like it (sometimes I have that too. Sometimes you're just not motivated to do ANYTHING.) I get that a lot... =A=' *lazy*
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Same, I can be terribly lazy :'D
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Mossinescence Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Like I am right now XD
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Hawkieface Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
You've got some really good points, Bienie! And some that I've never even thought about o.o

I will admit to having thought some of these about some artists in the past, but I left dA for a year or two and both matured and understood that their message boxes must be flooded, haha.

But for now, I must say one thing to this journal:
PRECH IT, SISTER
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, glad you think so then c:

Yep, indeed, it's not as easy as eople think it is x3

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Hawkieface Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
^w^
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OEmilyThePenguinO Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Student Digital Artist
well... to be fair I've had some pretty horrible experience with artists on here who even have DDs <:{ had one with 200,000+ page views call my art shit and proceeded to doing that to other artists she wasn't even having a conversation with.. therefore I understand why people assume they have arrogance, cause y'know... the community here hasn't been too stellar lately :{

you have some very valid points, of course. Nothing drives me up a wall more than people who beg for points and art and complain about commission prices. 
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's one thing when they ignore you, but insulting is never okay D: Especially out of nowhere. That kind of attitude is just. No.

And same here. xc
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BigSisterSplash Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This has happened with a person I watch. They suddenly got really passive aggressive about everything, are convinced everyone is out to get them, wants to steal their style etc. 
I used to respect them, they were a few years younger than me but I thought they were so good already! and I was really routing for them.
But they have been really mean lately and I makes me really upset.
In all honesty I think you're one of my favorite DA people I watch. You seem really down to earth and You're style is unique and adorable.
I hope if this whol art thing goes well for me. I can be something like you. 
*Tips hat to you*
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ahh, that really sucks. :c I've seen people on here totally throw their attitude around in just a year and it's just... "What happened to you :noes:" It scares me how fast people can change sometimes.
And ffff, thank you ;w; I'm glad you think so, that means a lot to me to hear. ;u;
/tips hat back/ ;w;
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Mage-Class Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I see a lot of people complain about artists not responding to every single comment, and I wish more people could understand what they're dealing with. I try to respond to every comment I get, and I don't even get a lot, but it's still kind of weird responding "Thanks!" multiple times without seeming like I'm just copying and pasting the same response. I definitely think artists should put some effort out there to respond to constructive comments and fanart, but it's definitely understandable if they don't offer much of a respond if they get flooded with a lot of those kinds of things. (And for some it could even play a part in trying to befriend artists for fame or free art.)
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, same here. Comments ARE motivating, but having to reply to tons of comments with nothing new to say... can be rather demotivating. xD
It can't be easy to be flooded in those things and still reply to everything in time. Especially when, as you said, people are just out to get free art.
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Kinglorshi Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Student Writer
It's a shame you had to write this, really, because all of it should just be common sense.

In other words I agree.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Glad you do. :)
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Aloebe Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
PREACH
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
xD
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Sisa611 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Student General Artist
Good point!
I agree with it, nothing more to add. xD
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Glad you think so!
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KiethTreason Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014
Frankly, i feel its just respecting your fans/watchers enough to at least give them some recognition. I mean after all, without them there would be no 'you' so to speak. Its the same with everyone who is famous. I mean is it really so bad to take five minutes or less out of their time to write a quick 'Thanks for the compliment' or 'Thanks for the watch'? Ignoring someone no matter who they are or what reason still makes them feel inferior. Although as you said there is the exception of being anxious and shy. And that is many times the case. But then there are the artist who are so popular that they feel they no longer need to associate themselves with the common rabble.



However, this is all simply a matter of opinion and taste. This is all based on my observation on the world around me. Honestly i have no concern for this simply because...i dont agree or disagree. Because there is one simple truth. Fame...goes to your head xD
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hmm. I agree on giving your watchers some recognition xD I always reply to comments, though, I don't thank people for watches. It's just something I never did, I simply don't go around thanking people on their pages =P I do give everyone who watches me a Llama badge though.
I suppose there always are people who feel like they're higher up than anyone. Life I guess! x3

Yea. It's important to keep your feet on the ground x3
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KiethTreason Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
*Shakes ur hand*

Yes

xD
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
/shakes back

:'D
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KiethTreason Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
*Never lets go*

I own you now >I You made a deal with the devil. 
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